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PostSubject: The Trainer has been!   Fri 10 Apr 2009, 1:00 pm

Well, after postponing his visit last week the dog trainer has been today! It was hysterical. He sussed me out in 5 minutes. I was going outside to move the cars so he had room to park and I was asking Vegas to 'wait, wait wait' instead of rushing out the door. I turned around and there he was laughing at me (the trainer, not Vegas!). He asked me to get Vegas ready for a walk and then go outside. He then pointed out by the time I had gotten outside I had said 'good boy', 'well done', 'come on' , etc about 40 times! I hadn't even realised!!! He was impressed that we made him sit down to let us go in and out of the door first but he said it was Ok for him to just wait, he doesn't necessarily have to sit. Then he asked us lots about the problems we were having (mostly jumping up) but as we said things he just did that knowing type of head nodding. When we finished our discussion he just said 'he's taking the mickey, he is dictating to you what happens instead of the other way around'. OH and I looked at each other and then started laughing as the guy told us that we were quite in authority at some times and then other times we let him do whatever he wants so he didn't really know if we were the pack leaders or not! It all made sense when he pointed out tiny things like letting Vegas stop by the car and waiting for him to move on, he said we have to MAKE Vegas go, it's our decision not his. So we were like, well how do we do that- drag him? Ah said the trainer, how about I use a half check collar on him? I was not very happy at this stage but he said let me try so I agreed. OMG the difference! The half check tightens if the dog pulls but releases the second he relaxes, so it's nowhere near as harsh as a choke chain which i am not a fan of. Within a few minutes Vegas was walking right by our sides, looking up at us for instructions, it was brilliant. He had a few temper tantrums and was like a kid throwing himself on the floor and the guy laughed and called him stubborn (oh, like we didn't already know that) but after a couple of times of 'checking' him with the lead he kinda thought 'oh well I can't get away with that anymore'. I was worried it was hurting him and would ruin our relationship but the trainer who Vegas had only just met and had been doing all this with him called Vegas over to him and he went, wagging his tail! Apparently he had no respect for us even though we shower him with affection. so we did lots of practising and we have homework but it was amazing to watch my little man being so well behaved. We've signed up to go on a 5 lesson course in May so we can keep his little mind busy. What was fab is that after about 15 minutes of walking up and down the road (the neighbours were laughing) Vegas came back into the house and crashed out on the kitchen floor he was so tired. So all those massive walks we were going on to make him tired and it took 15 mins 'proper' walking to do it! It was a massive eye opener for us and we will be working hard to make Vegas an even better behaved little monkey! Obviously this is not the solution for everyone and we have a lot of work to do but I thought I'd share the story so that you guys know that there is help out there if you need it please don't be afraid to ask for it. We felt a bit silly at first being 'told off' about being too weak but at least now we know what to do to have a happier dog and that makes me feel sooooo much better! Sorry this is such a massive post, but I am excited!!!!!!! bounce
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Fri 10 Apr 2009, 1:10 pm

well done sal and your oh and of course Vegas , just prooves to everyone now though that it is all about pack leader and confusing the dog , we did tell you however that you was a good mum lol keep up the good work with him and keep us updated on how you both getting on .
what did he say about the jumping up ? sorry if you have said and i missed it or didnt realise u know im blonde lol
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Fri 10 Apr 2009, 6:14 pm

Well done Sal - Pack Leader from now on :D

Just keep up everything you have learnt today and it will get better and better you'll see.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Fri 10 Apr 2009, 8:58 pm

Thanks both, we have to put his lead on when new people come to the house and correct him when he tries to jump up. Apparently eventually he will give up trying! LOL. We went to the park earlier and the poor thing he was trying to get to everyone but we were correcting like mad. I was absolutely shattered and OH had a go and he was too, we simply hope that each time it will get less. We thought afterwards that maybe we should have just gone somewhere quiet to start off with but then we thought a sort of baptism by fire can only be a good thing! A funny thing I forgot to say was that to stop him rushing out the front door we have to sort of 'fan' the door in front of his face and believe it or not after a few times he steps away from the door and then we can leave it open and he won't go out!!!!! And also we got some new food that the trainer recommended as his appetite has been awful since his upset tummy and the great news is he had seconds!!!! We are finding it hard to be pack leaders as I feel like I am being horrible to him but seeing him relaxed and chilled out on the floor by my feet snoring I guess it can't be that bad! I will keep you updated on our progress! At the park it made us laugh as we were checking him like mad on the lead and there was a man with a Boxer who was on a full choke chain and just lunging at us, we consoled ourselves with the fact things can always be worse! LOL X
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Fri 10 Apr 2009, 9:42 pm

he will respect you more Sal and it will all be worth while in the long run lol
and thank your trainer because at least now i know im doing the right thing with Buffy by having her on lead
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Fri 10 Apr 2009, 11:46 pm

Don't feel bad that the last feeling you should be having! Vegas will respect you more for helping him learn and you will all live happily and contented ever after - The End lol
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Wed 15 Apr 2009, 1:49 pm

How are you correcting him?

I don't like half check collars, they are not much better than choke chains, now called check collars because it sounds so much better. :( Even a flat collar can do a lot of damage to a dog's neck and trachea and is part of the reason Ellie had to have a tracheotomy, it wasn't just the soft pallet that damaged her neck and treachea, my vet thinks she has been corrected on a flat/half check/choke collars.

Are you trying to get him to walk on a loose lead next to you? This really is very easy to do but like everything with dogs, takes time and patience.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Wed 15 Apr 2009, 2:59 pm

great post. so glad all went well for you. keep us updated x :)
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Sun 19 Apr 2009, 6:44 pm

Update****
Friday night was OK, except for a non responsive recall which ended in us going home early from the beach. Saturday he lost his head totally and it didn't matter what we did he would not stop pulling, he got to the tight part of this collar and just kept going. we had to keep sort of running to loosen it off alongside him. if he is on a loose lead he is 2ft in front of us but not pulling. I have tried stopping whenever he gets in front and making him come back alongside but he still hasn't quite got it yet. I am combining making the collar 'click' and stopping to get the message through. It's totally our fault as we always said we didn't care if he wasn't alongside but appaprently we need him a little bit closer than the end of the lead, oops Only 5 wks to go til training class!
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Sun 19 Apr 2009, 7:43 pm

Just stopping doesn't normally work, been there done that and found another way. :D

How I teach a dog to walk on a loose lead I don't let the dog get in front of me, if he does it is too late for me to take action. I make myself very unpredictable, as soon as his nose is in front of my him, I turn and walk the other way. My dog is playing catch up all the time and they don't like that. It doesn't take long before they start to walk next to me so they can watch for when I turn. :lol: I do this for about 10 minutes a day for a few days then they only need me to stop to remind them.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Sun 19 Apr 2009, 8:03 pm

I agree the catch up training works well, everytime they get in front just turn and walk the other way even if it means two or three paces, turn.

We did it on the common with Kassi, I think people thought we had gone mad, but she sure didn't like turning around all the time and getting no where so it was easier for her to give in and stick close so now she knows.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Sat 25 Apr 2009, 8:41 pm

We went to the park last night and tried the 'right, you have pulled now we're going in the other direction then' approach. OH was well fed up after about 10 mins but it took that long before Vegas sort of got it. We have an awful lot of work to do and it's weird he still never pulls if he's out in front of you, how clever are they??? Grrrrr. OH took him to watch the football game today on the local fields and within 10 mins had to go get a new lead from the car as the other one got chewed through. Adolesence? You betcha!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Sat 25 Apr 2009, 8:48 pm

awwwwww Sal fancy taking him to watch a ball being kicked around no wonder he chewed the lead it was more entertaining than standing and watching rather than chasing lololololol
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Sat 25 Apr 2009, 8:52 pm

Seriously, OH was really upset that he had chewed through the lead until I pointed out that Vegas would've much preferred eating the people's legs and boots than watching. To be honest had I been there I may have been forced to chew something through boredom LOL
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Wed 20 May 2009, 4:00 pm

hi sal, have you ever tryed a canny collar for his pulling etc
my star was a nightmare literally pulled like a train from the time we stepped out of the door till the time we got back in.
all this time she was even chokig and coughing....silly girl
i literally tried everything
since using the canny collar she's brill, she actually trot's by the side of us. well worth the £9.95, she's such a pleasure to walk now.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Sat 23 May 2009, 9:17 pm

Thanks Nattie, someone else mentioned the canny collar too!
I may give it a try to protect my shoulders! LOL
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Tue 16 Mar 2010, 4:54 pm

hi taffy staffy i have the same sort of problems with my male staffy tyne i got him a sporn harness which slightly tightens under their armpits when they pull, i used this for a couple of days while i worked on his walking beside me as he used to pull like a steam train and wasnt a very nice experience 4 both him or me. i took him to dog classes which he is on week 2 and once he walked ahead of me or to start with pulled ahead of me i walked backwards for about 4 steps led him by my side and said here which is the word i use 4 heel. after a week he walks much better and now i use his collar and he doesnt pull at all and it is a pleasure to walk him now. but i would suggest using the sporn harness hun they really are good
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PostSubject: Re: The Trainer has been!   Tue 16 Mar 2010, 6:47 pm

Hi, can I make a suggestion Taffy (for what its worth), whist we are all offering suggestions, you went to the extent of finding a trainer who has given you homework and also looking at a few weeks training. Stick to what you have been given by the trainer as these things dont happen over night these things take their time you as well as the dog have to learn. They also get familiar and play on it and if you are determined they will give up. You just got to keep at it. If you chop and change with collars etc as people are offering the advice not only will you be confused but so will the dog, stick to one for the time being and be patient, then if you are not sure call the trainer and ask is it ok for me to use XYZ. Just playing devils advocate here, because if one of the other collars dont work and doggie gets worse you then have another problem on your hands. Just remember this dog has been behaving in this way for some time, this corrective training has only just started :-)
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