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PostSubject: fearfull dog   Fri 13 Nov - 21:19

i wonder if you can help me, when i first got my youngest pup we got givin her by another family we didnt want her as horrible as it seems, shes 15months now we have had her since she was 6 weeks old and everything seemed fine. Got her chipped and got her busted and i thought if i do get her a good home that she has been done. Could not part with her now didnt want her going into the wrong hands. I take her dog traning and mix her with other dogs my other 2 dogs do agility and i take her there to socialise but she is so fightened tail under her legs never had a staffie like this before. They are known for the courage. She is getting better but if a dog growls at her she seems to go for it as if to say im going to get you first. Thanks :)
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Fri 13 Nov - 22:07

Buffy is exactley the same hun not so much the growling but she does go very submissive with other dogs wether they be jack russels or rotties ,
although when keith pops upwith tyzer she is brill running round and playing its only off her own teritory that she seems to be scared .
is she the same if you take her out without the other dogs ?
imjust thinking maybe its all a bit over powering for her and she may be better being socialised on her own .
i may be wrong as buffys my first staffy and im still a novice and learning more every day so i look forward to reading some of the answers you get on this thread from more experienced owners :D
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Fri 13 Nov - 23:23

ive moved this topic hun to training and behaviour as members might see it
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Fri 13 Nov - 23:28

I have a GSD who was terrified of everything, people, dogs, you name it and she was terrified of it. I got her when she was 1 year old and was a cruelty case. I put her onto scullcap and valerian tablets and they have worked wonders. She is still fearful of people but I can now walk her and she seems to enjoy going out. The tablets might be enough to take the edge of your staffys fears.
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Fri 13 Nov - 23:33

Six weeks is very young for a pup and mum didn't get the chance to finish training, it is probably down to a socialisation issue and it will come in time.
If you notice her going to go for another dog be it fearful or agressively you need to stop that behaviour as soon as you see it start so that she knows it is not acceptable.

Hopefully our member Mattie will be able to give you better advice when she comes back on she is away at the moment but will return soon for a read.
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Sat 14 Nov - 15:57

thanks for everyone who has wrote back with their advise, i am on top of it as soon as she starts because i wont accpect it,
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Sat 14 Nov - 18:28

Then you are doing the right thing already. Just as soon as you notice it try to distract the behaviour with something and treat, keeping the concentration on you until the distraction has passed.
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Sat 14 Nov - 19:51

tracy barry wrote:
thanks for everyone who has wrote back with their advise, i am on top of it as soon as she starts because i wont accpect it,

How are you dealing with this behaviour?

What type of training are you doing?

I have found that Staffies are very sensitive dogs and easy to upset and can be fearful.
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Sat 14 Nov - 22:44

hi mattie. i am taking saffie dog training just doing the baisc puppy training,more to socialise than anything. when she go's up to a dog and she is fine with it i treat and tell her good girl, but some dogs she's so scared of and thats when she starts. with my other 2 dogs it was all about play i started the play when they very young, but saffie dose not play she will with the 2 dogs at home.
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Sun 15 Nov - 9:47

Sorry about the questions but I need as much information as I can get.

In training classes, does this get worse as the class goes on? Is she fine at first but not later?
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Sun 15 Nov - 17:18

hi mattie. the other way round in training, she is worse at the beginng and great at the end.
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Sun 15 Nov - 19:23

As you know she is a very nervous dog, this reacting to other dogs then seeming much better could be her shutting down to cope with all the dogs. I used to have a dog that did this and thought she was improving, she wasn't, she was getting worse, she was shutting down to cope.

When you are walking her how is she with other dogs?

Unfortunately the worst thing you can do is what so many people recommend, take them to classes to socialise them. You can work through this but it will take a long time to get her right.

I am hoping to do a web site in January and this is one of the articles that will be in it, it may help you understand her. Please do not copy any of it to another message board.



Aggression



Many of the problems I am seeing on the internet is aggression, this isn’t just confined to Staffies but is right across the breeds.

There are many reasons why a dog may act aggressively, for any sudden aggression in a dog that hasn’t shown it before, it is important that you have a full vet check-up first. Health problems do cause a lot of aggression depending on what is wrong with your dog.

Pain often causes aggression in dogs as well as several health problems including thyroid problems which is often over looked. If your dog suddenly becomes aggressive and your vet can’t find out what is wrong, ask for a full thyroid test. There are 2 tests, most vets just do a simple one but that doesn’t always show up problems, it is better to go straight to the bigger test.

Some problems with pain that can cause aggression is sore ears, toothache, sprains, lost a nail etc.

Many dogs become grumpy as they get older, this is normal, they don’t like being woken up by being touched so will bite, some dogs never like being woken up by touch and will bite right from being pups. I don’t like being woken up like this either and I will bite. Many people think dogs should accept this, but why should they? I always make a noise to wake my dogs up, I never touch them.
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Fear aggression is one of the most common problems why people ask for advice,. There are many reasons for this but the main ones are:

1.The dog has not had enough social interactions with other dogs and learnt how to communicate properly with other dogs
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2. Has been attacked by another.

A fear aggressive dog is often made worse by the dog being on a lead or cornered, the dog will usually go into fight, flight or freeze mode. Owners don’t recognise their dog is in freeze and will continue to pull the dog away and wonder why the dog can’t/wont move.

A dog can’t go into flight when on a lead, some dogs may try at first and try to hide behind the owner who then pulls the dog out and tell the dog not to be so stupid or tries to reassure the dog which then reinforces to the dog that he was right to be frightened.

As the dog hasn’t been able to freeze or flight he goes into fight mode, to him this is his only option so he tries to frighten the other dog away by barking and/or growling, his hackles will come up and he will try and make himself bigger, some dogs, usually Collies, will go down, when this doesn’t work he will try to attack the other dog to chase him away. Most owners will then respond by shortening the lead to pull the dog away which will reinforce to the dog that being aggressive works, his owner pulls him away from the dog he is so frightened of. Again many owners will try to reassure the dog or scold him for his behaviour which gives attention to all this and makes it all a lot worse.

Each time this happens we are reinforcing the aggressive behaviour, you are Classically Conditioning your dog and each time it happens it will get worse. Your dog has learnt that showing aggression works.

Many people shout or hit their dogs when they do this, again this will make the problem worse because the owner is reinforcing to the dog that there is something to be frightened of. The dog will pick up the owner’s fear and think he is frightened of the same thing, the owner’s fear is making this worse by the way they are reacting.

Chase or Predatory aggression

This one is usually worse when the dog is exercised off the lead rather than on it.

It will chase another dog that can by quite some distance away, ignoring any attempts by the owner to stop. Typically the dog is usually quite well trained and responsive when other dogs are not around. The behaviour of the chased dog will often determine the outcome.

This type of dog behaves exactly the same no matter who takes it out for the walk. It enjoys the chase and most dogs will chase anything that moves, cats, joggers etc. Owners will throw balls etc for their dog to chase thinking this is what the dog needs, instead it switches the “On” button for chasing. These type of dogs need an “Off” button, this means that the owner can stop the dog in the middle of the chase, very few can.

If you have an aggressive dog:

1. There is no magic cure, many will tell you there is and many will use gadgets like shock collars but the only sure way is a lot of hard, consistent work.

2. A visit to your vet should always be the first step in helping both you and your dog overcome this problem before it gets worse. In case it is a health problem.

3. Dogs do not grow out of it - you need good positive experiences to teach your dog to overcome these and move forward to a good happy dog.



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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Sun 15 Nov - 20:06

very informative post mattie thank you for sharing
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Sun 15 Nov - 21:35

much appreciated mattie. i dont intend to give up on her. she's such a loving dog.
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Mon 16 Nov - 9:22

How is she with other dogs when you are walking her?

Hopefully with this information I can give you some ideas on how to get her over it.
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Mon 16 Nov - 9:40

i dont recomend puppy classes at all tbh and most def not for dogs with issues they make them worse and a good few of the so called trainers dont have a clue thier idea is put loads together and they,ll learn piffle totally

fab information mattie
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Mon 16 Nov - 18:06

she's fine with other dog when we are out walking.
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Mon 16 Nov - 18:42

It looks like she isn't coping with the situation, she is telling everyone when she first goes by the way she is behaving but when she isn't listened to she is shutting down.

It takes a lot of watching and learning to be able to understand what a dog is telling us, it is very hard to learn as well, but well worth the effort if we can do it. I stil make mistakes, far too many for my liking but I keep trying.

You have asked for help which shows you care, I wouldn't put her in these situations again for some time, at least 6 to 12 months, then pick a time when there isn't likely to be many there.

Don't forget she has to be on a lead so can't run away from the situation when she isn't happy, she has no other alternative than to tell other dogs to piss off in clear English. ROFL
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Mon 16 Nov - 18:52

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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Mon 16 Nov - 19:00

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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Mon 16 Nov - 19:21

hehehe well its a good way of putting it i have to say
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Mon 16 Nov - 20:23

What have I done wrong :(

No point in beating about the bush, blush


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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Mon 16 Nov - 20:25

You haven't done anything wrong just made us all laugh and cheered us up.

Somehow we didn't expect you to say that last bit :D
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Mon 16 Nov - 20:28

Just trying to speak like a dog worthy
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PostSubject: Re: fearfull dog   Mon 16 Nov - 20:34

mattie i hear buffy swearing like that ill wash her mouth out
no deffinatley didnt expect it im stillin shock lololol
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