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PostSubject: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 11:58 am

Hi all,

We have a wonderful staffie / jack russell / border collie (& whatever else is in there!!!) cross, called Bertie. He's approx 12 months now & we've had him since September when he & another dog (unfortunately we have no idea what happened to the other dog) were abandoned on the beach. A friend of ours ended up looking after him & because we haven't had a dog since Midge, our fantastic border collie cross bitch, died 3 years ago at the age of 16, we helped her out by dog-sitting. He was really lovely & when we heard that our friend was being advised to have him pts because he would be 'too difficult to re-home' we were horrified & offered him a home with us.

So... he's approx 12 months old & we've been working with a trainer on his socialisation & behaviour around other dogs - in general this is going well - he's a bright boy, very responsive & eager to please. However, we have some minor concerns about his behaviour & I believe that seeking advice from staffie / staffie cross experts is the best idea.

I hope this doesn't seem to too cheeky - but we want to do our best for Bertie & the all the other people & animals he comes in to contact with.

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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 12:15 pm

hello and welcome
not cheeky at all, great bunch of people on here
well done for helping the poor larl soul
theres a dedicated thread on here for behaviour issues
http://staffiezone.boardonly.com/f122-k999-specialist-behaviour-help-for-your-dog
where k999 will give you really good advice
pics please spinner smile
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 12:18 pm

Hello and to Staffiezone. We hope you enjoy your time with us, to help you on your way we have attached a few useful links


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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 12:20 pm

Hi welcome to you and Bertie spinner smile

Feel free to ask anything - if anyone can help they will.
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 12:29 pm

Hello and welcome on board. please feel free to ask any questions and as much as you want. We will all endeavour to help wherever possible.

As Linda mentioned we do have a K999 section for any thiing specific that you feel may need expert help

Well done on rescuing him, he was very lucky to have found you

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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 1:51 pm

Hello and welcome

Yes do ask, we will gladly try and answer your question and Adam is brill at explaining how to go about getting a better behaved dog.
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PostSubject: Thanks!   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 2:51 pm

Thanks for the kind welcome folks! spinner smile

I'll post pics of DB - short for Dirty Bertie (at the moment he doesn't know we are talking about him when we use these initials) - asap. I just have to get a shot that isn't eiither of a) his bottom; b) him chewing his bits; c) his enormous open mouth or d) just a blur as he bounces around!

I know I'm biased - but he really is gorgeous - shame I have no photographic evidence to support my claim.

I am going to post a description of DB's behaviour via the link from lindauk. I just want everybody to be aware that this is not one of those cases where someone is pretending to seek help prior to justifying getting rid of the dog. I am 44 & have had 3 dogs prior to Bertie - Tipsy was pts due to mammary cancer at the age of 13; Tipsy Tupenny 2 (I know, but within the first 10 mins of arriving in the house she knocked over & drank my mum's Xmas day sherry!) was pts due to pancreatic cancer at the age of 11 & we lost Midge at the age of 16 to old age basically. One of the best decisions we ever made was paying the extra £100 & having the vets come out to our home to put her down - we avoided moving & disrtessing a frail old dog - although it was ages before I could look at the fireplace without bursting in to tears. My point is that we love DB & there maybe some issues with his behaviour but he is with us for the duration - we just want to get him to the point where everybody else sees the loving, wonderful creature we share our life & home with.

We are prepared to put in time, effort & money & we are already paying for 1-2-1 sessions with a trainer. We also want to make sure we do all we can to ensure DB is a happy & relaxed dog who doesn't have a negative impact on others.

There are lots of lovely staffies & staffie crosses & other dogs living near us who through no fault of their own are out of control - they're not walked, they're always off the lead & they're not socialised or trained. Sorry - I know I'm ranting but I love dogs & they all deserve so much more! Also, sadly they contribute to the poor public perception of staffie type dogs - but it's the idiots who own them who are at fault - like the pair who watched while their two staffies tore a goose apart in the park - then punched the poor dogs in the face!

Finally, I hope I don't seem a depressing poster - i'm usually quite cheery - but I need to warn dog lovers that there is a campaign to prosecute a case of horrendous animal cruelty - I've signed the petition via fb, but it features one of the most shocking pics I've seen - I'm not squeamish - I had a short, but very tearful, few months as a veterinary nurse - but when I opened the link without realising what it was I burst in to tears at work. I'm a tutor at a 6th form college & I wouldn't want my students to see it. I would hate for young kids to see it. The title's something like 'let's get justice for this special dog' - please, please be cautious if you receive it.

Sorry to witter on so much!

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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 3:16 pm

your " preaching " to the converted here tifla
were all sensible staffy owners
and im sure you'll enjoy the crack on here
good luck with the photography
cant wait to see the pics x
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 3:25 pm

Sorry, I know - it's just nice to say it knowing that other people will agree with me. lol x
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 3:29 pm

i wasn't being funny hun x lol
get clicking away
we ALL love pics spinner smile
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 4:55 pm

And we all love bad pictures for a giggle! Welcome to the board!
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 7:00 pm

Hi Tifla

Love the nickname lol

No one would ever judge you on here, we all share the same passion for our dogs and will try and do our utmost to help you. With time I am sure he will work through whatever issues he has and hopefully we can all help you along the way

Dont worry about pics, mine are never the best but I post them anyway x

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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 7:04 pm

Welcome to you and Bertie, sounds like you have had some lovely dogs in the past.

I am sure you will continue to work through with Bertie and as said if you want to know anything, doesn't matter if it has been asked before, you just ask away and get some opinions.

Get that camera clicking spinner smile

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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 8:36 pm

Hello and welcome welcome
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Mon 27 Feb 2012, 8:39 pm

Hi and welcome to the forum x
Can't wait to see piccies of Bertie xxx

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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Tue 28 Feb 2012, 8:57 am

Hello again,

There is definitely a lovely warm atmosphere on this forum - thanks again for the welcome messages! ta

Couple of quick questions - what is the opinion on playing tug with staffie / staffie crosses? We do sometimes play tug with DB, partly because it's such a useful way of testing his 'leave' response - which is very good even when he is really in to the game. Sometimes we let him win & other times we make sure we win. However, there seem to be opposing views on whether you should or shouldn't allow them to play this?

This is a little odd, but we've only heard Bertie yelp once! He is forever clonking himself - he has a really bad habit of taking a massive leap down the stairs then skidding in to the porch door - &, inevitably we've trodden on him on a couple of occasions - but there is no reaction. He doesn't bark much - although he is starting to bark more frequently but he is a very vocal dog generally - he sits & 'talks' to me sometimes. Is the not yelping usual?

Any ideas, please?

Sue xx
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Tue 28 Feb 2012, 9:55 am

staffies are tough dogs and dont make a fuss about pain
its a problem as when they are hurt its hard to stop them running around
we play pulley with dell
but not to a high zone if you know what i mean
we find it good training as he stops when told

we give dell him belly rubs and he talks when we stop to make us start again
hes not a barker but brock on the other hand is a very vocal dog

pics pics pics thats a subtle hint spinner smile
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Tue 28 Feb 2012, 10:24 am

My camera is at home charging as I type & I'm going to buy a huge tube of Superglue on the way home from work...

Thanks for the K999 link - I've just added an embarrassingly long post about DB's behaviour towards other dogs!

I am currently sporting a nice bruise above my right eye after trying to avoid one of DB's hysterical snogging frenzies - in his attempt to wash my face his head connected with my forehead - ouch!

How old are you dogs? Are they ok with other dogs / cats / animals in general?

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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Tue 28 Feb 2012, 10:47 am

brock lives with my son 2 doors away
he and dell are big buddies
dell loves to chase cats and doesn't like them at all
he loves our rabbit and guinea pig but i wouldn't trust him if they ran
he is a terrier
but i know of dozens of staffies who get on with them great
just not mine
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Tue 28 Feb 2012, 12:39 pm

Hi Sue

I play tuggie ith my two, Chloe barely has any teeth so often lets go and Reuben will pull but only for a very short period of time and then he lets go. I dont think there is anything wrong with it personally.

As for my dogs and others:

Chloe
Hates other dogs but will tolerate the odd one on occasion for a few minutes. She tends to be better in the vets rather then outdoors, no idea why
She hates cats with a passion but learnt to tolerate ours. I think her previous owners must have taught her to chase and attack them as she is by far the worst dog I have seen with cats
Loves people and gives massive bum waggles to anyone who passes us on walks

Reuben
Can be temperamental with other dogs but once he has met them a few times he is fine, yet with others he can take to them straight away
He is fine with cats and on the odd occasion he has run at one he stops as if to say what now?
Completely ignores people and children (to the point of being rude) when we are out on walks but goes mad for people who visit our home

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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Tue 28 Feb 2012, 12:55 pm

I don't play tuggie but only because I'm not strong enough to play this game with Elsdon.

Ruby - I can but only to a certain point too. In fact she has recently started play growling with me but I think I need to put a halt to this, she's far too cocky with it. Usually has her tail up when a dog approaches but this is only show as she usually puts it back dog once she has sussed the dog. We've also found that putting her behind us when a new dog is approaching helps and she will let her tail down again.

Elsdon - fine with all other dogs usually but has growled recently at one or two. No idea why as usually his tail is wagging so much he nearly falls off his legs. Is definitely a cat chaser and is intensely interested in Linda's guinea pig and rabbit (we have been to visit Linda and Keith and Elsdon would not stop staring at the poor little things).

So a mixed bunch with Elsdon and Ruby spinner smile
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Tue 28 Feb 2012, 2:18 pm

Cheers for the replies - I really don't know what DB would do if he managed to get close to cats / squirrels etc. We're doing quite well at boring him to death with squirrels & ducks in the park - as soon as he reacts we turn sharply away & walk in the opposite direction & keep doing this until we can walk past calmly. This can be quite dizzying because there are a LOT of squirrels but I'm trying to reduce the chances of him killing young ducklings & assorted small furries in the spring.

Jo - that's really interesting - DB's reaction to people is very similar to Reuben's - outdoors he's not often very interested but indoors - home / pub etc - he is a soppy mess. We are working on controlling his excitement levels & we're getting to the point at which he does not usually jump at people in the pub & only really gets excited at any member of staff who approaches to stoke the fire - he loves them!

Anyway, he's a bit of a 'marmite' dog - he usually provokes the response 'what a handsome / gorgeous boy' but we occasionally run in to some people who say things like ' he's ugly / scary / dangerous / a pitbull' (my friend had a pitbull years ago & she was the sweetest dog!) even though he's just sat there politely & done nothing wrong.

Your dogs all sound fab - naughty sides & all - & I don't expect DB to be perfect - just as safe as possible. We want to take him camping with us (although how we will break the news to him that we can't take the fire in to the tent with us, I don't know) & need to be confident he can be trusted in this situation. I'm hoping for some advice from Adam, so we can really get stuck in to resolving his issues with other dogs.

Midge, our last dog, was playing tug until the last couple of weeks before she died, even though she didn't have many teeth left - just like Ruby.
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Fri 02 Mar 2012, 9:33 am

Hi again!

Jan - I was just looking at your posts & the profile pic made me chuckle - your dog is sitting in the same way DB does sometimes & it looks so funny the way they stick their back legs out like that. None of my other dogs really did this (well, maybe once in a while) but DB often ends up in this position - is it a staffie thing?

Also, how often does everybody feed their dogs - we're getting loads of confllicting advice & would appreciate some opinions, please.

Hope to get some piccies soon - just need to get Steve's (my partner) birthday out of the way & won't be around at home much this weekend. Don't worry - DB won't be neglected! We share a house - & DB - with Steve's dad - he is retired so DB is rarely on his own & has 3 people walking him.

Thank you!
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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Fri 02 Mar 2012, 12:58 pm

I feed mine twice a day, once early morning and once about tea time. I tend to feed a smaller amount in the morning as they dont get a very long walk in the morning and then sleep all day

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PostSubject: Re: Bertie   Fri 02 Mar 2012, 1:07 pm

Yes that's definitely a Ruby pose and I've seen Alison's Ellie do it as well, lazy girls! It is a staffie thing, they have various poses to amuse people lol

I feed mine twice a day too, banana and probiotic yoghurt in a morning along with half and chicken and the rest in the evening.

I've just started giving them a slice of toasted brown bread about 9pm and it seems to help them settle in an evening.
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