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PostSubject: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Sun 18 Mar 2012, 8:26 pm

Feel a bit knocked, I think I just need some reassurance :(

Walking Rosy on lead in the park earlier (first time visit to this one) and all was well, was happy ambling along when this tall black dog (off lead) came over to her. With hindsight the dogs stance wasn't 'right' but I let Rosy and 'loretta' say hello. They sniffed each other a bit, Loretta's owner was walking off pushing a pushchair and paying no attention, occasionally yelling the dogs name. Rosy showed signs that she no longer wanted attention and tried to move away and I followed her cue and moved on but this dog came back and just wouldn't leave it. The dog was twice as tall as Rosy but she pulled herself up taller and I decided to move us away.....at which point this dog moved toward myself and hubby (the kids were a decent distance away thank goodness) and Rosy just turned, lunged, teeth bared and I just turned quick with her and moved away before she made contact. Lorettas owner seemed to think it was her dog snarling and just yelled her name again. We witnessed this same dog further along on our walk generally annoying other dogs, so I think it is the dog that is the issue rather then Rosy. At one point this dog went up to a couple of cavaliers and actually flipped one of them onto its back and the poor thing was yelping while 'lorettas' owner had to leave the pushchair and attempt to catch her, she then barely held onto her :(

I was really shaken, I have never seen Rosy react in that way, not even slightly, she is usually really excited to see other dogs. She usually says hello, has a sniff and a tail wag and gets on with things. Occasionally a bit too excited but thats it.

Do I just need to put this down to experience, one of those things? Is there anything I should do differently? I don't want Rosy to feel like that again :(
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Sun 18 Mar 2012, 8:35 pm

I would say Rosy had enough of this dog and the dog was not 'listening' to Rosy and obviously had no manners. The only way Rosy can be firm and tell it in no uncertain terms to go away is by how she reacted today.

How did Rosy react to any other dogs she met on the walk after this one?

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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Sun 18 Mar 2012, 8:41 pm

I agree with Jo,other dog has no manners, Rosy did what she had todo to tell it off. The fact she was on lead may have had something to do with it so keep an eye on her body language with other dogs for a bit but think she'll be fine.
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Sun 18 Mar 2012, 8:43 pm

I agree with Jo, rosy was fed up of the other dog invading her space, the other dog had no manners
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Sun 18 Mar 2012, 9:08 pm

Yep I would agree with what the others have said, try not to dwell on it.

Sounds like she was very patient with it and just got fed up in the end and had to let it know.

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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Sun 18 Mar 2012, 9:15 pm

Same, she just had to tell it to back off, don't worry about her, her doggie manners are ok.
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Sun 18 Mar 2012, 9:39 pm

Afterwards she was fine, paid little attention to other dogs as she was busy snuffling the ground. When the cavalier was yelping her ears shot up but thats nothing unusual, very expressive ears lol. I think if being on the lead was an issue then it was an issue with the other dog as I only walk Rosy on the lead as she has zero recall. We have met so many dogs both on and off lead with Rosy on lead and she has been fine with them. I have been meeting up with friends and their dogs to help her socialise and she seems equally happy saying hello and departing as she is to say hello and then carry on the walk with the 'new' dog she has just met. She was put in her place by my mums 9 year old collie but she seemed to accept that (Rosy tried to stand over her at my mums). Obviously my end of the lead is going to be different with the dogs I know, more relaxed, though I don't think I was particularly tense when faced with the dog today.

I'm so glad she was on the lead, could have ended badly, can't imagine having to intervene with those teeth! Yikes!
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Sun 18 Mar 2012, 9:40 pm

I wouldn't be too worried.
Look at it from Rosy's point of view;
dog's will do anything to avoid getting into a serious fight because in the wild if you get into a fight you could die, even if you win the fight you might well die of you injuries. This is why dogs have such subtle but effective communication systems.
Rosy did all the right things telling this annoying dog to leave, it didn't leave therefore it became a threat, not only to Rosy but to Rosie's family (you lot!). So Rosy stepped up her warnings to this dog, I presume this did the trick by the way and you were then left alone?

This is typical behaviour for dogs, my Miz used to be very similar but much less tolerant, she'd give a strange dog one maybe two chances to be polite then she'd come down like a ton of bricks on it forcing it to show some manners. She's much more tolerent now and it trusts I won't expose her to anything actually dangerous.
Don't be afraid to chase somebody elses dog away if you think your dog is struggling, or call the owner's to sort their dog out.
But to be honest you did everything correctly, you gave both dogs a chance, saw the other dog wasn't a good dog to meet and tried to leave to keep Rosy safe. The other dog should have got the message, but it shouldn't have been offlead anyway.
The only extra thing I would have done is shout at, or stamped my foot right in front of the other dog to make it leave you all alone.

I know it's not nice to see your dog snarling, but Rosy was only communicating and doing her best to keep you all safe.
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Sun 18 Mar 2012, 9:47 pm

I think her body language was ok, she said hello, they had a sniff, Rosy moved on. When the dog came back she kind of said hello again and when the dog went to sniff her bum again she sort of did a semi sit whilst moving on and wasn't really paying attention and just trying to walk on.

On occasion she will pull herself up tall and when I see that I just turn her away from the dog and walk on as I don't think she is in the right 'place' to greet another dog when she does that. As soon as I turn her and walk on its as though nothing has happened and shes back to nose down and snufflegutting.
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Sun 18 Mar 2012, 9:51 pm

Hi Adam
Yes I think the dog got the message, the owner called and the dog hurtled off down the park after her and had a bit of a dig at another dog along the way.

Hubby said I am worrying about it too much and that we know that Rosy will 'protect' us if it came down to it. I just want to protect her lol. I wondered if as the dog went behind Rosy wasn't sure where the kids were, shes quite focused on them and watches them when we walk lol.

Ah right, not going to dwell on it, am going to go and upload Rosy's 4 week photo, thats gone so fast!

Thank you guys, I knew you would talk some sense into me!
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Mon 19 Mar 2012, 11:50 am

Ok, not going to dwell on it, promise....

But on our walk today, which was going lovely, pleasant stroll, lovely loose lead etc we happened across a lady waiting at the bus stop and Rosy went MENTAL at her. I don't know why, she was just standing there but as soon as Rosy saw her the hackles shot up and she was full on barking and trying to get to her! I changed route into the next road but she just wouldn't leave it and was doing all she could to get back round the corner. The bus came and the woman got on, meanwhile Rosy sat in a quivering jelly wreck. I waited for her to calm and then we went back round and continued our original route. Rosy was looking for this woman the whole time and then seemed to just shrug it off and carry on with our lovely walk.

What in gods name was that about? The woman was just standing next to a lamp post, she had huge black sunglasses on, she turned toward us as we crossed the road. Does Rosy think I need protecting? Did she maybe think the lady should have gone to Specsavers?

I can see me doing sunglasses therapy next lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Mon 19 Mar 2012, 12:54 pm

You're right to stay positive - we've all experienced the freak out at something unexpected.

Can't offer any explanation why she did that, unless it evoked a memory of some sort from her past ? I'm sure Adam has come across this type of scenario and be able to offer something more helpful.

Does sound like the it was the woman not the bus stop though which is useful otherwise you could get very busy walking round in circles to avoid them. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Mon 19 Mar 2012, 1:05 pm

Hehehe yes, def the woman as it wasn't an obvious bus stop just a lamp post with a sigh half way up. We walked back round a few times and she was fine after.

I did wonder if it had evoked a previous bad experience. Would be interested to see what Adam thinks too. We walked past other people afterwards and she was fine, even when we had to squeeze down a single lane and there was a lady and poodle heading towards us.

Gonna line up some friends with sunglasses now, see how she reacts lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Mon 19 Mar 2012, 1:07 pm

The woman obviously freaked poor Rosy out and it probably was the sunglasses she objected to, don't blame her, sunglasses in March?
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Mon 19 Mar 2012, 1:12 pm

To be fair, thinking about it, she did look a bit sinister! She had quite a square blonde bob and huge black sunglasses. Poor woman was probably wondering what she did to get such a reaction.

I've just ordered some new sunnies too.... zipped
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Mon 19 Mar 2012, 1:18 pm

My first staffie used to react the same to Old Ladies, the more decrepit the better.
We never knew why she did this and can only assume it was from her past as she was a rescue too.

I imagine it would be the glasses?

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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Mon 19 Mar 2012, 1:40 pm

yea, the sunglasses are most likely, as opposed to Rosy having a special ability to sniff out serial killers!

These dogs with these stupid hair cuts where the hair covers their eyes also get into similar trouble with dogs. Humans are the same, if you can't see sombody's eyes you have know way of judging what they are thinking.
Dogs put a huge emphasis on reading body language and eyes (especially human's eyes) are a very important part of this.
So Rosy simply wanted to keep that lady with covered eyes away. Of course you can now incorporate this into your training, look for people with sunglasses on and show Rosy from a distance. Or when doing some positive training pop a pair on and off your own face, not wearing them for more than a few seconds to start with, showing her that somebody in sunglasses isn't anything to worry about. Then extend it with other doing the same.

There might be a chance of a negative experience with somebody in her past which resembled the old dear, it might even have been her perfume, but this isn't so likely really.
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PostSubject: Re: Bit of a to do in the park today :(   Mon 19 Mar 2012, 2:45 pm

Probably some of this womans body language too as she was stood quite close to the lamp post and turned directly facing us as we went to cross the road. She turned in such a way that for a split second I wondered if I knew her.

Darn, got to go to specsavers later, was going to hire Rosy out to drum up business lol
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