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PostSubject: high protein food   Wed 28 Nov 2012, 7:27 pm

can I ask why a high protein diet is not good for our dogs as I feed Cassie a lot of raw food and that is protein ?

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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Wed 28 Nov 2012, 8:34 pm

some people are worried that It will make their dogs hyper. i have personally fed high protein kibble and never had any hassle x

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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Wed 28 Nov 2012, 8:46 pm

Well I am shocked at the level of the protein I am feeding Reuben in his kibble now, I don't know how I missed it but it is 38% protein in the Orijen
He was only on 26% with the fish4dogs



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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Wed 28 Nov 2012, 10:27 pm

Do you think it might be contributing to his Stress levels?

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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Thu 29 Nov 2012, 6:06 am

I have no idea Claire, that is something I will have to look into

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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Thu 29 Nov 2012, 5:58 pm

thankyou for your replys ta
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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Thu 29 Nov 2012, 7:14 pm

Isn't it high protein that puts weight on? I only give Ruby and Elsdon a couple of eggs a week as I realise they are high on the protein side.

Jo have you thought about trying Reuben on the CSJ herbs?
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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Thu 29 Nov 2012, 7:28 pm

I have tried him on the Dorwest herbs but he refused to eat his meal when they were added

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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Thu 29 Nov 2012, 8:49 pm

High protein in humans takes longer to digest and can be harder on the kidneys for example - not sure if this effects dogs in the same way but worth a thought :)
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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Thu 29 Nov 2012, 9:28 pm

My initial thoughts were kidneys Suzie.

I have been looking around and one website states
'Proteins are necessary for all aspects of growth and development and are very important in structural makeup and the immune system. In addition, they are burned as calories and can be converted to and stored as fat.

Dogs actually require 22 amino acids (the building blocks that make up proteins). Dogs can synthesize 12 of these amino acids; the remaining ones - essential amino acids - must be consumed. Essential amino acids for dogs include: arginine, histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. A deficiency in any of the amino acids can cause health problems

Now Reuben is lacking in tryptophan so if this is correct then my understanding is that this should help?

The same site states this about kidneys
Does high protein cause kidney disease?
No. This myth probably started because, in the past, patients with kidney disease were commonly placed on low-protein (and thus low-nitrogen) diets. Today, we often put them on a diet that is not necessarily very low in protein, but instead contains protein that is more digestible (therefore producing fewer nitrogen by-products). These diet changes are made merely because damaged kidneys may not be able to handle the excess nitrogen efficiently. In pets with existing kidney problems, nitrogen can become too high in the bloodstream which can harm other tissues.

Unless your veterinarian has told you your pet has a kidney problem that is severe enough to adjust the protein intake, you can feed your pet a normal amount of protein without worrying about "damaging" or "stressing" your pet's kidneys. Also, keep in mind the fact that you are not "saving" your pet's kidneys by feeding a low-protein diet

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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Thu 29 Nov 2012, 10:27 pm

Hmmm interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Fri 30 Nov 2012, 8:49 am

I agree very interesting indeed :):)

Thanks for the post Jo
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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Fri 30 Nov 2012, 9:05 pm

Of course, liver is high in protein and that's why they can't have a lot of it? Or damn it, am I wrong again? Seem to be wrong a lot this week lol
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PostSubject: Re: high protein food   Sat 01 Dec 2012, 3:43 pm

liver is rich in a few things vitamins, minerals, proteins etc etc so shouldn't be fed in large amounts.
I always think of organ meat in the proportions they would get off a kill. so if a dog caught a rabbit for instance, there would be mainly muscle meat, a tiny brain, a tiny liver, a tiny heart ect, so it would mainly be muscle meat with a small amount of organ meat in the meal.
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