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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 04 Mar 2010, 10:16 pm

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think i'll need a share in the wine factory at this rate ohh and rehab by the time im through lol !! to be honest i think the agression is the most important item on the agenda but how do i start? glad i have people to help gunna ask linda 2morra and hopefully be able to get a routine started and get back on track again!!!!! i must admit hes been really gud the last cuple of days but we've had no visitors and ive had him 4 his walks and also had time out from him when i walked our rocky 2 so i think it helped me sort my head out. the last thing i want is to give up and have him destroyed as i luv him 2 bitz but i really am feeling like this is the last chance hes got ive tried loads and am really gunna try even harder with him now

I agree, the aggression must take priority. Can you start a new thread giving all the details of the aggression, when he does, who to, what is his body language like, what was he doing before she showed aggression, anything, the more information the better. Please put paragraphs in, it makes it so much easier to read, especially if these are not big ones. I do have problems reading text on my computer so this will help me a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Fri 05 Mar 2010, 3:32 pm

thanx hun i'll have a look and see what they all about xx
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Fri 05 Mar 2010, 10:46 pm

no problem mattie i'll get on that. well we had our 1st training class 2nyt and im impressed with tyne. we were asked to sit so that we only had dogs to the 1 side of us. tyne was wound up when he went into the room but he did settle! no barking or growling like i expected yes he had a bit whinge and was very interested in the other dogs but i found him manageable. we mainly watched as linda didnt want to 'excite' him more as hed settled but what i saw was encouraging.

when she got to the topic of leads n walking there was a little dog that walked a bit to close and tyne didnt batter an eyelid, yes he was watching but i managed to get his attention!!!! even better he actually ate the treats i took aswell for being a good boy. we've been given tasks to work on the 1st 2 r walking on a lead which i have already begun and the sit stay.

linda did say to me that they had a male staffy there for classes a few months ago and he was worse than tyne and now after practise and persevereance they are now in the process of recall off the lead and she says that they can work with him going on his calmish behaviour tonight i am so proud of him.

i do know its very early days and theres alot of work to be done but im feeling positive i must admit i was really wound up not knowing what to expect but i think it went well. when it was over i was let out the fire exit as tyne was calm and there were other dogs waiting for the more advanced classes and i also was dreading passing them as the hall way isnt very big.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 06 Mar 2010, 9:30 am

Well done Kirsty and Tyne, it is all down to the work you have already put in, you have both made a lot of progress already and will continue to.

Will look at your other post later if you don't mind, I will have more time to concentrate, still in my jimjams and got people from freecycle picking things up later.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 06 Mar 2010, 10:44 am

well done both of you xxxx
we can support encourage and help you but its much better when its a real person hun and especially when that person has seen this behaviour before and can give you peronal encouragement xxxxxx
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 06 Mar 2010, 11:21 am

Wow Kirstie that's fantastic news what a good boy Tyne was well done both of you.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 06 Mar 2010, 2:21 pm

i must admit i was well impressed with him and his actions. he didnt attempt to try and eat the other dogs and didnt bark aggressively it could have been down to shock with him but to sit that good for an hour in the presence of other dogs and strange people i though it was a positive thing. ive had him out for a walk earlier and he is getting much better to walk and more enjoyable aswell for both him and me. i asked about the harness thing and linda said she doesnt not agree with them but its more for the front control that she said no to using them in classes as with them the control comes from on their back and doesnt work too well when ur in front of the dog
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 06 Mar 2010, 3:54 pm

I can understand with some of the work in classes, but when out walking you have more control of your dog because you are controlling the body and not the head or neck. A dog that is leaping about `can do a lot of damage to their neck if the lead is clipped to a collar. I can walk all my dogs on the collar now without any problems but still walk them on their harnesses, there is always to odd occasion when the harness will be prefered.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 06 Mar 2010, 4:43 pm

when i walk him i use his sporn harness i asked if i could continue to use it as ive seen improvement and also i had already begun to work on his walking on the lead and she said yes but prefered not to have it on 4 class and to use his head collar instead to bring him 2 class. but wouldnt that just confuse him?
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 06 Mar 2010, 4:52 pm

Probably, headcollars should never be used on their own, the dog should have another lead clipped to the collar or preferably a harness. It is dangerous to just have a lead clipped to the headcollar, a friend saw a Dalmation break his neck when he just had the lead clipped to the headcollar, the dog was leaping around like many do. I would refuse to have him on the headcollar alone, it is far too dangerous, if the trainer wants she can contact me and I will put her in touch with my friend who saw a dog break his neck. This friend is a very good behaviourist who worked for the Dogs Trust for 15 years.

Sporn harnesses are very good for helping you teach him to walk on a loose lead.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 06 Mar 2010, 4:55 pm

i must admit mattie i have seen a great deal of improvement in a short period of time with him. i dont have to turn and walk the other way as often now and im not being dragged around either progress i think, i must admit im feeling well positive now more so than i ever have and i am seeing benefits already so im doing something right. just got the other things to sort out and i'll be a happy bunny
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 06 Mar 2010, 6:09 pm

Of course you are seeing improvement you are on the right track and working hard to help Tyne but I can't see what is happening you can. I can only give general advice, you will have to tweak it to suit you and Tyne.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 2:13 pm

well week no 2 for tynes training. last night went even better we were able to get up aswell we showed them his lead training and he didnt batter an eye lid. i even got him 2 sit and stay!! which is something he never does even at home and more than once 2!! they tried the recall which is something i panicked with but he did well he was on a long lead held by the trainer and i had 2 walk away a bit and call him and guess what......in front of all the dogs he ran straight to me twice. im so proud of him. he hardly whinged last night either.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 3:35 pm

wooooooooooooooooo well done Tyne we know you can do it xxxxxx
and well done to your mummy to for being so patient xxxxxxxx
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 4:09 pm

even linda the trainer said she saw loads of improvement now ive gotta get him to lie down after sittin he did it once yesterday but refused after lol never the less i was so proud of my boy he did amazin
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 4:21 pm

Well done Kirstie and Tyne, the problem could be that he had no boundries and a dog without boundries is a confused dog, they need the rules so they know what to do and how to do it.

Hopefully once he has completed his course he will be a much better dog for it.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 5:08 pm

i hope so 2 theres other courses after this 1 and if he does well in this 1 then i may enrole him in the next level 1s. i no this sounds daft but he looks happier in himself but im not counting my chickens just yet its still early days lol but with our progress so far im well impressed even linda said it was as if i had a different dog however not to wind him up we were let out the fire exit in the hall as there were a few dogs waiting for her next class to begin
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 5:23 pm

well both very good start i have to say :))
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 5:42 pm

angel its going better than i hoped it would i half expected him actin up that much id have to remove him from classes im thinking of gettin him neutered aswell
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 6:29 pm

take it one step huni like you are doing see these furbabies are just like kids sent to try us and make us look like fibbers lolololol
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 7:26 pm

jo ur so right but i was really beginning to get to the end of my patience and sanity aswell. i feel really positive as he showed he can do things i ask and he really surprised me sitting n stayin as usually he sits facing away from me and wen i go to face him to ask him 2 stay all last week he got up lol but last night he did it exactly right and stayed till i said good boy!!!!! i know its slow and he should really be doing these things anyway but he wouldnt as linda said terriers r stubborn breeds lol so this to me is amazing progress especally wen theres other dogs around him. last week he was 2 wound up to be able to ask him todo anything so i was told to watch and practise at home and this week he was able to participate in the actual class which suprised me and he sat quiet when the others were up he did have little bit whinge but nothing like the week b4
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 7:34 pm

he has done amazingly hun
they are bloody stuborn and from what ive been told males are more stuborn than females anyway ( which looking at hubby id agree with strongley lolol )
you have even got me considering some training classes not only to help me but also give buffy some socialisation and with her being 16 months i thought she might be a bit to old but hearing about you and tyne i think we will be looking for somewhere
i was going to take her to an all staffy one near us but they look down their nose at spayed staffys its more for breeders so thats a no no

keep us posted hun on how he is doing though we havent met him but we are so proud of tyne and of you xxx
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 7:36 pm

You are both doing so well Kirstie, keep up the good work we are all proud of you as you can probably tell.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 7:41 pm

the one we take him to is a mixed class all breeds the class we've started is the puppy 1 and then theres other levels after aswell ive found it really easy to understand aswell she explains it so i get it unlike big terms for a simple thing if you know what i mean. i dont think theres an age limit in ours either it's not only tyne that its helping its me aswell

thanks sandi it means alot as i will be honest and tell you's i was ready to give up with him
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Sat 13 Mar 2010, 9:12 pm

nooooooooooo you wanst you juts needed a gentle push and see what and who tyne really is and he is prooving himself
its easier though when you speak to someone face to face rather than reading on a post xxx
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