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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 4:47 pm

what size would i need for him as im lookin on ebay at the min and they have sizes eg 1 2 3 4 etc
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 4:49 pm

ive just bough buffy the size 6 but its slightly to big my fault lol

i think on that link i just put up mattie put a site on that shows u how and what to measure
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 4:51 pm

thanks jo il have a look
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 5:11 pm

have you heard of a harness called sporn non pull harnesses? that looks like what i got 4 taz would you have a look and tell me what you think of them if you think they are any good n comfort etc
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 5:14 pm

is this it hun
http://www.sporn.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=SPUS3
or this
http://www.sporn.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=SPUS

if its the second one i not keen as ut looks like it could damage the dogs chest when its pulling although i may be wrong
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 5:16 pm

the 1st 1 hun it looks very similar to taz's ive tried it on tyne n he walks better with it just taz's is a bit worse for wear now lol
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 5:20 pm

ive never heard of them before so i cant knock what i dont know lol
the site doesnt really explain how it works ill do some more researching although one of the other members may have used or tried before so id like to hear if they have aswell xx
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 5:23 pm

this one is different again and does explain a little more how it works and in principal looks and sounds effective
http://www.kumfi.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=6&category_id=20&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=8
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 5:28 pm

thanks hun im going to look about first and see whats going to be the most useful and yet the most comfortable for tyne xx
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 5:32 pm

ive just found a lupi harness which looks similar 2
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 6:50 pm

kirstie wrote:
have you heard of a harness called sporn non pull harnesses? that looks like what i got 4 taz would you have a look and tell me what you think of them if you think they are any good n comfort etc

Sporn harnesses are supposed to be very good, Victoria Stillwell sometimes puts them on dogs that pull to give the owner more control while they train their dogs. It doesn't matter what you put on a dog to stop them from pulling, the only thing that works is to train your dog not to pull.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 6:53 pm

have you tried putting some smelly cheese in your pocket hun not a nice thought lol but we did it with pippa to get her to walk rather than to stop pulling she hated the lead and would put anchors on so we used to give her a little bit of chedder then let her see us putting a little more in our pocket and she eventually got the idea that to walk along side and be nice she would get a bit of that chees eventually she would walk along side with her nose on our leg without the cheese
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 8:15 pm

ive tried the treat thing but hes just 2 busy pulling. i just stop and he sits and i wait then start again i try to get him to walk to heel or even infront without the lead being pulled tight but he just doesnt get the message hes so stubborn but isnt that all men ROFL i noticed when i tried taz's harness on him he walked much better and he actually seemed to enjoy his walk but as i said his is 7 yr old now so i myt try the sporn harness to help and hopefully with plenty of tym n practise he may walk nicely im going to try my best to get him under control in all areas fingers crossed
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 8:49 pm

Kirstie just a thought of something else to try I know you are being bombarded with advice at the moment, but I guess you are gonna say anything is worth a try so how about this - it works for some.

When Tyne is pulling, stop, turn around and walk in the opposite direction, still pulling, stop, turn around and walk in the opposite direction and keep doing this to see if it helps. I did this with one dog for half an hour going in a square and yes I felt like an idiot with people looking at me wondering what the hell I was doing, but it solved the problem. I know a few that have used this and it does work for some.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 8:53 pm

you know I was just gonna suggest this technique I did this with Duke and I have to say it worked very very quickly - yeah like Sandi said you look a bit of a ninny but who cares if it works
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Thu 18 Feb 2010, 10:16 pm

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ive tried the treat thing but hes just 2 busy pulling. i just stop and he sits and i wait then start again i try to get him to walk to heel or even infront without the lead being pulled tight but he just doesnt get the message hes so stubborn but isnt that all men ROFL i noticed when i tried taz's harness on him he walked much better and he actually seemed to enjoy his walk but as i said his is 7 yr old now so i myt try the sporn harness to help and hopefully with plenty of tym n practise he may walk nicely im going to try my best to get him under control in all areas fingers crossed


Kirstie he isn't stubborn he doesn't know what you want him to do, being stubborn is human not dog.

By letting him get to the end of the lead and pulling he is being rewarded for pulling, yhou need to take action well before this. This is what I have put up on another forum to stop dogs from pulling. Many laughed at this but got so desperate that they eventually tried it and got a shock, it didn't take their dog's long to walk on a loose lead. They do it every time they go out and when the pulling stops they continue their walk. At least 1 owner used a prong collar before doing it this way and this is the only way her dog started to walk on a loose lead.


use a trail/tracking type harness on my dogs but any harness will do, don't do this with the lead clipped to the collar. These go down each side of the neck instead of round the chest so it is more difficult to pull in them. also the strap round the body is futher back than most harnesses and they don't rub. 2 of my dogs rub easily but these harnesses have never rubbed them.

I also have a 6ft lead which I attach to the harness, with the dog on my left I hold the loop in the lead in my right hand, my left hand holds the lead nearer my dog but which lets them me on a loose lead, the lead between my hands is loose as well.


I say, close to my dogs and start to walk, if their head goes in front of my hip, I drop the lead in my left hand and turn and walk the other way. When the dog is getting close, again I say close. I don't get very far at first, usually just walk up and down the same piece of pavement but it doesn't take long when my dog starts to watch what I am doing and starts to walk next to me.

After about 5 or 10 minutes, depending on how they are doing, I like to finish on a good note with praising my dog, I stop the training. I do this daily until my dogs automatically walks close to me, normally about 7 to 10 days.

With this method if you forget to drop the lead in your left hand it does pull on the dog but not hard and because he has a harness on, it doesn't hurt him. If your timing is off and you let him get further forward than you want, it won't matter, just make sure next time your timing is better.


At first you hardly move from the spot but it doesn't take long before your dog works out that he needs to walk close to you on a loose lead. It takes about 10 to 15 minutes a day and I don't give a treat until the end of the session but use my voice a lot to praise.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Fri 19 Feb 2010, 3:19 pm

u know ive seen this on a programme called dog borstal. i have noticed that from when we got him and took him 4 his walks he doesnt know which side to walk on hes 1 side to the other and pulls like mad. ive got a 6ft lead now ready for his classes and i was thinking about doing what u suggested and i guess if looking like an idiot for the first few times until he gets it then its worth it. i guess im starting from scratch again with him. when i say hes being stubborn i meant that when he does something good i praise him and ask him to sit and go to give him a treat and he turns his nose up ive even tried taking bits of chicken with me and still the same lol. im defo going to try your suggestions and i would like to say a big thankyou to you all for your advice i'l get some where with the lil bugger eventually and its going to b hard work as i already know
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Fri 19 Feb 2010, 3:54 pm

good luck kirstie , been reading all the advise people have given , ive seen the technique on tv where they walk in opposite direction and keep doin it until the dog behaves ...

let us know how you get on .

When we got trixie as a rescue dog at 12 mths old we had to go back to basics and trust me it does work , just takes a lot of hard work but you sound like your ready for it , good luck xx
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Fri 19 Feb 2010, 4:00 pm

A lot of dogs won't work for treats Kirstie, they will work for something else, can be praise, squeaky toy, tugger etc, you need to find what he will work for. Tuggers are easy to make, just cut up an old fleece, the back is the best and cut on the diagonal the strips will be longer, tie a knot in one end, plait the strips and end with a knot. Pull the short pieces of fleece as tight as you can so it doesn't come undone. Keep this for training only, never let him play with it at any other time or it will lose its high value.

When a dog learns to walk on a loose lead that way they never forget it, they may go to the end of the lead and start to pull but if you stop, they come back. I found it is the best way to teach this. The problem that dogs have to overcome when walking at our pace is to learn to keep themselves balanced at such a slow, to them, speed, dogs naturally move a lot faster than us. This method of teaching them the dog learns to keep himself balanced which they don't with the yank methods. Unless a dog is balanced they can't walk at our pace.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Fri 19 Feb 2010, 4:00 pm

It's awful when things are not going to plan but a couple of weeks or months down the line you will look back and think what was all the bother about he will be great you wait and see.

Eddi is the same he won't work for treats but bring out his ball and he will do anything you ask of him, whereas daisy will be your slave to treats lol and will keep coming back thinking she will get more haha.
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Fri 19 Feb 2010, 4:04 pm

thanks! ive got my determinded head back on instead of the dissapointed 1 where i didnt know what 2 do next 1. i know i can do it i guess i just needed some advice as 2 how to start lol. i havent tried his new lead on him yet but he will be going out again in a bit so im going to take him on it n try the suggestion above and i dont care that i'll look like an idiot to other people id rather have a nice walking dog rather than him taking me 4 the walk. hes a very nervous dog aswell, i noticed yestarday when we were walking past some bushes there was a bag stuck and he was curious but when the breeze moved it he went nuts barking and yet trying to get away at the same time. his behaviour is really making me think as to how he was treat by his old owners as ive still heard nothing from them since i mailed them about him chewing the door, never mind, im sure he will get there and with the help and advice from every 1 on here helping to keep me calm and collected we will get there and thankyou all again. eddie n daisy lol ive even tried taking his fav toy with us and we end up retrieving it as he has no interest at all hed rather do what he thinks he will do lol
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Fri 19 Feb 2010, 4:10 pm

just remember kirstie we might only be on a pc but we will all support you and are right there with you coaxing you and tyne on xxxxx
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Fri 19 Feb 2010, 4:15 pm

thanks jo, it really does help u no xx
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Fri 19 Feb 2010, 4:19 pm

it does hun ive called on friends on here a few times just to give that extra bit of suport but you will do it hun you are to determined not to xxxx
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PostSubject: Re: how much more can 1 owner take!   Fri 19 Feb 2010, 4:22 pm

You go girl you are doing fab and like Jo said we are all here for you - there is light at the end of the tunnel - honestly hun xxxx
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