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PostSubject: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 6:19 pm

I really need help training my staff. She came from a dump at 5 weeks old i coudlnt leave her there the poor sod. I hadto ween her with baby cerials ect to normal dog food. Stella is now fab appart from biting. Iv had a trainer in who told me to say OUCH in a really high pitch voice and when she backs off give her a fuss. This doesnt work iv tried it hundreds of times she jumps back and runs at me biting again. Iv said NO she shows her teeth. Even putting her lead and collar on she bites. I give her treats while im going it but i hafto hurry otherwise shell get me. Im not scared of stella just worried for her as staffs have a bad reputation and i dont want stalla having the same, You only get bad owners not bag dogs and i want to be a good owner. i really dont know what to do with her.
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 6:27 pm

This is the age when she will start to push her boundries with u. You just have to stick at it, tell her firmly and ignore her til she calms down, turn your back on her if u have to. She will learn.

If she sees she is getting no attention, good or bad, when she mouths, she will soon stop.

Have you got a crate for time out?
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 6:29 pm

Awww well done you for rescuing her and iving her a home.

Squealing "ouch" in a high ptiched voice is all I know, pull a face and make her see you don't like it. If she runs at you again fold your arms and try to turn away from her, if she catches you shout "ouch" again. If she backs off ask her to sit and then treat - I think if you treat too often she will get confused with biting, you saying ouch and getting a treat if you see what I mean so she comes back for more. So try doing it more slowly and don't treat every time, but praise "good girl" when she stops.
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 6:33 pm

all the above are good suggestions
you could also try keeping a toy of hers handy and when she nips you say ouch and give her the toy to chew instead
we also used to smear a thin layer of peanut butter on the back of our hand to encouarge her to lick rather than nip

i remember them needles well she will stop honestley just takes a little time and patience and plus her age at 5 weeks she would have had mum normally teaching her when she nipped to hard ect
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 6:36 pm

Shes got lots of toys i do keep one or two handy. Shes not interest in them at all. She would rather my sons toys. Iv folded my arms and she just went mad and brew blood.
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 6:40 pm

have you tried a kong ?
you can get little ones fill them with some goodies and some natural yoghurt and freeze it
also cold carrots thats have been in the fridge she will possibley be teething and her little gums will be sore
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 6:44 pm

She has got a kong yes. Iv put all sorts in it and shes not botherd by it. The only things i can get her to play with is a ham bone or a pigs ear. When i go out she gets a custard cream and i leave she gets a ham bone i get back and shes eaten the kitchen. She goes out every day to play and for a walk. All of the baby teeth have fallen out now so i thaught it would calm down. also how do i put a pic of stella on my profile
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 6:46 pm

Have u not got a crate then?
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 6:50 pm

to add pic go to profile at the top and click avatar then brouse and save thast it hun

i think maybe a crate would be a good idea
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 7:01 pm

If she uses a crate to sleep in then I would not use it for time out. A crate should be her safe zone where she can go and relax so she would be confused if you use it for punishment as well.
I would put her out of the room if need be.

I found ouch with a sharp intake of breath worked for us. It stopped Reuben in his tracks and he would back off, if she comes back I would so as Sandi suggests and stand up and turn your back on her.

Good luck, it can be done. Just takes time and perseverance
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 7:26 pm

a crate is good though for when u go out or cannot supervise as she could get seriously hurt chewing things
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 7:32 pm

No i dont have a crate. Im sure i can get one though its not a problem. does she sleep in it at night ect? What about when she needs to toilet? At the moment shes goin outside at night and in the day outside. so if i get a crate what do i do?
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 7:37 pm

Hi Stella_staffy - Jo Staffylover did a great post on crate training here:

http://staffiezone.boardonly.com/training-behaviour-f8/crate-training-t3186.htm?highlight=crate+training
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 7:43 pm

Right iv read all that im going to get one. but how will this stop her biting if i cant put her in there when shes being naughty? what do i do when she bites? Is it worth getting a trainer out with a clicker ect? personally i dont think so because its only the mouthing im having trouble with but iv never had a staff before. i hope you all like the pic of my little pooch :)
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 7:48 pm

the biting will stop you need to keep on with ouch she is still a puppy and thinks she is playing
i found if i picked her up and stroked under buffys chin rather than going over head helped
as when we went to go over her head she automatically opened her mouth to nip
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 7:55 pm

If i go to pick her up she sows her teeth and has a bite face on. So i back off and leave her to come to me. Somethimes shes ok but other times shes just in a strop. I really need something that works because shes got my son once and my husband said if she does it again shes going to hafto be rehomed Obviously the baby hasto take priority.Hence why id like to get her under controll now because i love her too much to let her go. Iv just baught a cage so ill fill it with toys when it arrives
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 7:59 pm

have you had gher checked recentley at the vets she could have tummy ache or something and this is making her a bit growly
if you have and everythings ok thn you need to teach her that you are pack leader and will not tolerate her behaviour
do not sow her you are afraid when you go to pick her up as this is showing her that you are afraid and she will pick up on these senses
maybe try picking her up and having a nice chew in your hand a few times so to take her mind off being picked up once up talk softley to her showing her that you are not going to hurt her and she can trust you
if she goes to bite then put her in another room for a few minutes and close the door staffies like being in the attention so she will soon learn to be naughty means that she isnt allowed with her pack sop to speak
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 8:01 pm

at 5 weeks shes so young
when your telling her off you`ve to say it in an angry voice like you mean it
your her mam now so use a stern voice, she`ll learn x
be the boss and let her know you are.
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 8:07 pm

I do have that nasty voice, next door own a staff and theres is fab. Iv had allot of advice of them. the usual way is... stella is ging me cuddles on the sofa then she gets abit rough so i say no. If she carries on i say it abit louder and put her down and say no when iv put her down. Then she will either sit and i will allow her back up or she will keep jumping snapping, i egnore her and she carries on to the point i have teeth marks ect. I try and get her out of the room she runs under the sofa so iv moved it. i pick her up and put her in her bed for a few mins as soon as i let her out she steels something i replace it with something shes aloud and shes not interested. so i go to sit down and its the same thing over and over. She has been to the vets they said im going to have a problem dog i refuse to belive it because you dont get bad dogs just bad owners and im not a bad owner.
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 8:27 pm

Well that was a silly comment from your vet, she is a naughty puppy that is all and you will be able to work through it

Have you thought about enrolling her at puppy classes and then onto training classes? You will get some great tips and advice and they will see her behaviour first hand. It is also great for socialisation for Stella.
They are not too expensive either, they are normally about £40 for 8 weeks (try and find one where they allow the dogs to interact, some of the classes I looked into insist they are kept on the lead which personally I would not find helpful)

Its great that you have ordered a cage for her, ensure you introduce it to her gradually and whatever you do dont use it as a punishment area. It needs to be a nice pleasureable area so she enjoys going in there and is happy to be in there whether you are in or out of the house
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 8:32 pm

I have already seen a trainer i paid £45 for one hour she told me to do a whole range of thing that made stella worse. Im nut sure about the classes because stella goes on walks with 5 other dogs so she likes dogs. she can sit, pass her paw, and talk when i ask her too. she is amazing it took me a whole chicken and an hour to get sit and paw ect. the mouthing is the only thing i cant knock.
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 8:55 pm

How are her social skills with the other dogs, does she back down from them or is she full on with them diving all over them? Although she may get on with them which is brilliant she will need to learn doggie ettiquette and learn her place with other dogs.

How long have been working on the ouch method and do you do it 100% of the time? Everytime she pushes her boundaries be firm with her and your consistency should pay off

Whatever you do I would suggest you use the reward basis. If you want to consider training classes then you can pop along to the class before you join to see what you think.
Personally not all one to one trainers are that great and I would always suggest you use one that is recommended where possible. I spoke to a trainer about a one to one session when we first got Reuben and he suggested I let them fight it out!! I may add that I did not use him.
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 9:01 pm

shes brill with other dogs, if its a large dog she lies down infornt of it but if she knows the dog shes all over it. If the dog wont play with her she bites it and hags off its lips if it still wont play she stalks it i find it really cute. iv tried the ouch every time shes bitten from day one when she was 5 weeks. shes now about 16-18 weeks i think. its asif shes trying to tell you whos boss. i try and give her nice treats. she loves chicken so if shes a good girl she gets some if not i shout ouch and she jumps back runs around the room and everything asif im playing with her.
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 9:03 pm

with people shes not so good. My friends wont come to the house because she bites them. as soon as i open the front door shes there jumping up at everyone. I tell my friends to ignore her untill she calms down but she doenst she pulls on trousers annything to get attention.
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PostSubject: Re: stella the staff.    Mon 19 Jul 2010, 9:03 pm

just out of curiousity what food is she on?
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