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helly
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PostSubject: Advice Needed   Sun 30 Aug 2009, 10:07 pm

Please could someone give me advice. I got my staffie 3 weeks ago he is 7 months old. When we first got him he was very nervous, wouldnt walk on the lead as i believe he never been taken out for a walk before we got him. First time i took him out he dragged his paws so much he ended up with grazed back paws. He is now greatly improved on his walks. When we first got him home he wouldnt go into any room without us literally picking him up and carrying him in he was the same when we tried to get him out in the garden. He has improved a little on this but he does has relapses like tonight for example he wouldnt eat his food and when he did go outside he was shaking all over. We have also got a 15 week old staffie pup who is very lively and likes to play with him all the time. Also when we say no to him when he does something naughty he starts to shake and he goes very nervous. I would like some advice on how to overcome this nervousness.
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PostSubject: Re: Advice Needed   Sun 30 Aug 2009, 10:31 pm

ive never dealt with a nervous dog so i might not be answering right but my mums dog was very much the same as fonzie and even now 7 years later she will still have occassional relapse
when you go outside take a piece of cheese with you show fonzie first what you have and encourage him to come to you out there as you dont want to be carrying a full grown staff the same when you go into different rooms when he comes give him gentle praise rather than all excitable like is suggested with new pups ,
show him with the pup that outside is fun and time to play but try and keep play a little low key to you have only had fonzie a few weeks so really he is still settling in and unsure of whats expected of him or what he is allowed to do
the new pup will be a greta help to him in bringing him on imo as with heidie my mum bought a tiny pup in and as heidi watched the more inquisitive she became and to be honest her fear was overcome by being nosey
what ever you do and how ever hard it is when he is shaking or showing fear dont go and give him massives of cuddles and loves as this is to me is giving the message that you are praising him for being insecure and that what you want to change with him .
keep things low key and let him come around in his own time with praise from you when he has pleased you will encourage him to please you more and once he has learned to trust you he will get there
the other thing is training classes to give him more socialisation with both people and dogs might just give him that bit more confidence that people are going to fuss him and love him and not hurt him .

do you know anything of his past ????
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PostSubject: Re: Advice Needed   Sun 30 Aug 2009, 10:40 pm

remeber to that everyone has different opinions on how to help with different situations you have to go with what you feel is the best way for you and your dogs
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helly
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PostSubject: Re: Advice Needed   Sun 30 Aug 2009, 10:43 pm

No i dont know anything about his past unfortunately.
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PostSubject: Re: Advice Needed   Sun 30 Aug 2009, 10:50 pm

sometimes i wish these little dogs could talk to tell us what happened to them in the past so we can help them more :(
just give him loads of reasurance and plenty of praise when he does something that pleases you .
he doesnt sound as if he has had a very good start to life and deffinatley doesnt sound as if he was ever made to feel welcome or part of a loving family .
i am sure he will soon learn though through your family they have an amazing ability imo to read body language so if you stay calm and relaxed around him he will pick up on that eventually .
keep us posted though on how he is getting on and as i say i am sure more members will have better ideas and ways of helping him especially our members who have worked with rescue and dealt with dogs like fonzie before
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helly
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PostSubject: Re: Advice Needed   Sun 30 Aug 2009, 11:01 pm

Thanks for the advice i'll keep you posted on how he is getting on.
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PostSubject: Re: Advice Needed   Sun 30 Aug 2009, 11:15 pm

which part of cheshire are you from as not far from some parts lol
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PostSubject: Re: Advice Needed   Sun 30 Aug 2009, 11:19 pm

Im near Crewe
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PostSubject: Re: Advice Needed   Sun 30 Aug 2009, 11:20 pm

ohhhhh just up the road lololol im in newcastle
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PostSubject: Re: Advice Needed   Sun 30 Aug 2009, 11:30 pm

Best thing is to remember you know nothing about your rescue dog and they know nothing about you, so even though they are an adult dog they still need to be shown and find out what is acceptable to you and what is not. Don't not train because you feel sorry for them (I know its hard sometimes when you wonder why they are cowering or looking at you as if you always knock them about, but you have to remain detached a little to start with).

Some dogs who come into rescue have not had any boundaries and can be disciplined for want of better words, for being naughty, mischeivious or for just plain being there. You need to try and work out if something is wrong by concentrating on what is happening at the time. I have a Staffie on foster at the moment who is being assessed and all was fine until one day we were watching the football when he was eating his food, someone scored and we cheered poor dog stopped eating sat down flat as a pancake and was petrified to go near his food bowl again. Obviously something triggered something from his past and he freaked. Now we ask him to sit, wait for his food and keep quiet while he is eating when he has finished we praise him and tell him "good boy" so he knows it is ok to eat and no one is gonna do anything or take it away. He also cowered when he did his poo in the garden and seemed to panic if he was caught going. Now my thoughts are that he has possibly soiled in the house and been told off for it - not learning that pooing is ok but in the house it is not, they need proper boundaries and sometimes owners just shout and confuse the dog so again everytime he does a poo outside (when we catch him) we tell him he is a good boy again and he jumps around with pleasure.

It is very hard when you don't know anything about their past but you have to just try and break it down as best you can and watch points, keep them close and give plenty of love but remember what you want and what boundaries you want to set.

You could also try training classes if you feel like doing them for you as well, some people get on ok at them some don't it very much depends on the trainer.
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PostSubject: Re: Advice Needed   Tue 01 Sep 2009, 5:54 pm

helly wrote:
Please could someone give me advice. I got my staffie 3 weeks ago he is 7 months old. When we first got him he was very nervous, wouldnt walk on the lead as i believe he never been taken out for a walk before we got him. First time i took him out he dragged his paws so much he ended up with grazed back paws. He is now greatly improved on his walks. When we first got him home he wouldnt go into any room without us literally picking him up and carrying him in he was the same when we tried to get him out in the garden.

Don't pick him up and take him either into a room or outside, you are forcing him even though to you it isn't force, to him he is being put into a situation he isn't coping with. At the moment you are thinking as a human, no surprises there you are one, or I hope you are:) You need to put yourself in his position, you know what is in the other room or garden, he doesn't, he may never have been in a house before or there could be another reason for this. He needs to gain the confidence to do all this and not rely on you.

For dogs like this you really need to ignore him when he is behaving so scared, but tempt him into were you want him to go. That is a lot easier to write than to do.

Clicker training may help with his confidence but the noise of a clicker will upset him, you can put it in your pocket or use a pen or the top of a baby food jar, these are not as loud. Clicker training is based on rewarding your dog when they have done what you wanted and is ideal for nervous dogs.




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He has improved a little on this but he does has relapses like tonight for example he wouldnt eat his food and when he did go outside he was shaking all over. We have also got a 15 week old staffie pup who is very lively and likes to play with him all the time. Also when we say no to him when he does something naughty he starts to shake and he goes very nervous. I would like some advice on how to overcome this nervousness.

Stop saying no to him, he doesn't understand what it means and if he starts to shake, he may have learnt it means he is punished. Forget him being naughty, he isn't, he is just being a dog so if he is doing something you don't want him to do, give him something you do want him to do. If he is chewing a chair leg, give him something that it is ok for him to chew like a nice juicy bone.

Does he have a metal food bowl? I have had several dogs that these frightened and I changed them to plastic ones, my problem was then solved. When feeding him put him in a very quiet place where he won't be disturbed so he can eat in peace and keep that darned pup away when he is eating. :))

He needs a safe place to go to get away from the pup, he needs peace time and be able to pick when he is ready to play and when he isn't. Your pup also needs rest times during the day like human babies so it is a good idea to enforce these for your pup's sake.

You have a long road ahead of you with this little boy, but I am sure you are up to it and will help him gain confidence.
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PostSubject: Re: Advice Needed   Wed 02 Sep 2009, 12:54 pm

I would listen to Mattie and steer clear of any negative words and concentrate on treating and praising good behaviour. Im sure with time and love things will become easier, dont forget that both dogs have a lot to learn about you and there home and at times it may be confusing and stressfull, all we can do is try to make it easier and happier for them. Good luck and please keep us up to date with their improvements.
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